Sunday, January 14, 2007

Noah's Flood: Is Bible God a Mass Murderer ?


Is Bible God a mass murderer of men, women, children, babies and fetuses?

If Noah's Flood actually took place and you worship or pray to Bible God does this mean that you condone mass baby murder?

Since Satan never killed anyone in the Bible does this mean he is Good and Bible God is Evil?

Why do Christians often declare they detest murder yet go to all lengths to defend what looks like the mass murder of Bible God?

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Steve said...

The Bible literally says that God killed countless men, women, children, babies, and fetuses. So if we read it as literally true in these accounts, God killed all of these people. But did his killing constitute the "murder" you say it does? One definition of "murder" is: "The unlawful killing of one human by another." I often define murder as "unjustified homicide." Does God's killings meet the first definition? No, since the biblical God is not a human being. What about my second definition? Christians reply that since God is and does only good, he cannot do something that is unjustified; therefore, his homicides are justifiable. I think this is debatable, but I won't elaborate right now. Some Christians also reply that these stories should not necessarily be interpreted literally. Rather, they should be seen as metaphors authored by ancient people to eff ineffable truths about the awesomely incomprehensible nature of God. Thus, if you ask them what these metaphors tell us about the living God, they say that this can't be precisely expressed in literal language but can only be understood to any degree via some complex and prolonged process of faith-based study and contemplation.

I confess that I don't know what to make of all this. It seems to me that there can be no justification for God's literal acts of mass-killing; I can't imagine how even a metaphorical interpretation of them tells us anything valid about a true God who is truly as supremely loving, just, and merciful as Christians believe him to be; and, finally, if we aren't to interpret THESE stories as literal fact, why should we interpret miraculous stories about Jesus' virgin birth, unique divinity, and bodily resurrection as literally true? Yet, can someone who doesn't interpret them in this way be Christian? I understand that such a person cannot.

That is one reason why I do not consider myself Christian.

BB said...

Premeditation is a viable definition of "murder" and according to the stories, doesn't Bible God make a never ending habit out of this?

Who says whatever a God does is just? Can't there exist an evil creator god?"

Where do some Christians get the authority to claim some of the OT stories are allegory or fiction? What Church has ever listed or declared scripture that was to be taken as such?

Genesis has the Catholics diverting all over the place for cover. When you ask if Bible God really is a drowning mass murderer they will tell you it's allegory because the people at that time wrote literature just like that, however, when we also mention that if that were true, wouldn't Bible "Almighty God" be allegory as well therefore fiction? Then as usual these defenders will run and scatter off until they get the guts to make their wild claims at some future time. :-)

Unknown said...

Even if a flood literally happened, the meaning of this story is largely metaphorical.

What is the metaphorical meaning of the flood story? What does it tell us about God's nature? It's not so much about God's nature as it is a metaphor for the way for us to transform ourselves, and to get closer to God.

The bible is full of stories with some sort of death and rebirth. The ultimate example, of course, was Jesus's death and resurrection. A huge emphasis of Christianity when viewed as a way of life is the necessity of death to an old way of being, and rebirth into a new way.

Perhaps it's a lesson for us to be able to let go of the bad parts of ourselves. When the existential flood comes (something bad happens to us), to let the bad parts of ourselves be drowned in it and to be reborn (just as the world was reborn) into a new and better way of life.

If viewed metaphorically, I think this story fits into the biblical picture quite nicely. :)

BB said...

Hi Kristen, Do you believe the entire Book of Genesis is metaphor?

If yes, does this mean the Bible's "Almighty God" does not actually exist?

If no, how does one decide which far out Genesis story is historical fact versus metaphorical?

Thanks, BB

BB said...

The Bible claiming its "Almighty God" drowned a whole world full of kids and babies in Noah's Flood no doubt influenced this woman.

Woman Claims God Told Her to Drown Kids

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Interesting to know.

jt said...

Metaphor it is....so why do we keep on believing in somehing that was creted by a few "wise" men back in the day? Im not a believer in god any more than I am a beliver that reality tv shows are good. Because the majority of the population watches these shows doesnt mean they are good or something to believe in, but they do confirm the rediculous state of the "herd" mentallity that exists, much the same as in those that believe the bible is good.

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Anonymous said...

Holding God (if you believe in such a being) to human standards is illogical. If God really made heaven and earth and all life, then it belongs to Him.

Just as a painter has the authority to destroy his own work, so would such a God have the authority to destroy His creation. He is not accountable to His creatures.

If such a God decreed laws, and if His creatures willfully disobeyed His laws, then ... well, you get the picture.

Of course this only makes sense if you believe in a God of creation.

Dick said...

"Anonymous," June 6, 2009, suggests that since God created all of us, he can rightfully destroy any of us, just as a painter can destroy his own painting. So I guess I could kill my children, too, and perhaps their children, as well.

If God can't be considered evil because he made the rules and can therefore violate them, then he also can't be considered good. I explore these issues further in http://www.moralorigins.com/?p=36.

Anonymous said...

GOD claims to be a loving father! Ha! Yeah rite! My point is this: God claimed the earth was full of sinners and he was disgusted with what the world had become. He warned noah of what was to come and told him to warn the people of earth which he did to no avail. We all know what happened with the great flood! He killed everyone and everything not on the ark. Now i have four children whom i love very much! God supposedly leads by example. so let me get this straight if my kids sin or disobeyes or does something horrible that i despise i kill them? How can i claim to be a loving father to all and kill my own children? Well thats what so called GOD did! Whats really something to think about is the so called "devil" didnt kill anyone as far as the bible says. So who is the real villian here? Think about it.

Anonymous said...

I've been telling people for years that the problem with christians today is they have no backbone. they should rise up and kill everyone else and then they would be no problems..hell, that's what the muslism are trying to do!!

Anonymous said...

I just read the story of noah and his ark, noah doesn't warn anyone and makes no attempt to change Gods mind. On another note God ordered moses to have all the male children and non-virgin Midianite women killed and to keep all the virgin girl and divide them among his soldiers.... So you get God sponsored kidnapping, rape, and baby killing

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This is something I always argued.If God controls the weather(Hurricane Katrina,and other disasters) he is a mass murderer.However ,if YOU say he doesn't--the bible'sNoah's Ark is BS!

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